Autumn statement

Pensioners will be pleased they are getting an 8.5 percent rise next April

Expect complaints.

3pm tomorrow

What we need is every one to get their personal tax allowance raised to get the most benefit from any rise. It has already been documented about any rise would throw more pensioners into paying tax

You're right, Peter. Not that I'm against a rise in my pension but, because I still work, I've been on emergency tax since the last rise, so I'm getting a little bit taken from my already meagre wage, so I'll get more taken the next time.

I've worked straight for 58 years, so I reckon I've paid more than my fair share.

Last year we got a rise on the state pension and I have a pit pension which I now pay tax on. I gained on the state pension but was £35 a month worse of on my pit pension Mollie its time your employer and yourself sorted out your tax ,You should not be on emergency tax for 8 months

There's an old saying and its older than time itself, there are only 2 things you can't get out of,

1. Dying
2. Paying tax,

Unless you are Ken Dodd.

Peter:

I'm the first to admit that I know very little about how tax works, and I'm not sure my boss could do anything. I'm off work this week, so I'll ask him about it next week when I go back, but thanks for the advice.

"Doddy's little diddy men:

Diddy pay
and
diddy 'ell".

Ken got caught and paid and when he died, they found another £50 in his autopsy that he'd hidden to take with him,

Tom,

He left almost £30 Million

He was found NOT GUILTY of evading paying millions in tax, as he persuaded the court he did not understand money!

Folk would part with a lot of brass to be instructed in how not to understand money in his way. The line I liked best: "I told inland revenue that I did not owe them a penny, 'cause I lived by the seaside!"

Clever lad,, A true Scouser and a national treasure,,

Why moan about good old Doddy not paying tax when many of those comdemming him may be among the thousands getting away with cheating the benefit system of millions?

I qualify next May. .just after the rise...marvellous.

nothing for the carers....AGAIN

Mean while cost of living
Still forecast to go up also energy price cap going up we ain't got nothing yet the country is broke according To the experts

an extra 5% on gas & lecky coming in january . great as if they arnt making enough .

Whupsy

Well yoo can blame Margaret Thatcher for that

but you can blame her party .

OC

I repeated a joke, I believe first made by Dave Allen, and corrected tom who seemed unaware that Mr Dodd had been found not guilty.

I am surprised that you want to brand this as moaning, when from yourself we get a constant unwavering stream of 'more Alf Garnet than Alf Garnet'.

You need to look in the mirror.
Or pay some attention to the evaluation you are earning on here!

You try to pass yourself off as being critical of all politicians, yet constantly swipe at those out of power, and never a hint of any dissatisfaction with the others.

Do you really believe that you are fooling anyone?

yes & those who are entitled to benefits & being denied them by a cruel atos under the instruction of a tory government .

I believe the rise for us OAPs is far too much especially when there are people working hard /long hours cannot get such a large wage increase , i think around a 5 % rise would have sufficed , AS for a budget for growth ??? Please anyone show me what growth is going to come from the bill???
ALL THE REST IS JUST "FLIM-FLAM""
GB

Golden Bear



You are nuts -

GB don't forget there are two completely tiers of state pension and there are pensioners who only have a paltry pension to live off

and the rise is already swallowed up with the rise in food , gas & lecky & that,s not counting the rise were going to get in water & poll tax rates . it,s nowhere near enough & were still one of the worst paid pensioners in europe .

Whupsy

PeterP..we all have a choice in life...work and invest or P it against the wall. I will have 3 pensions next year...Naval/Police integrated..Metro...Old age...if folk have nowt these days they were too lazy to earn/carry it.

Ken Dodd was a tax evader. End of story.
At least that horse rider Piggot got jailed.

How Dodd was found not guilty of fraud and tax evasion, beggars belief.
The clown said that he could not understand money but yet had 20 bank accounts in Jersey and the Isle of Man!

He even had the audacity to get married a few days before he died, just to avoid paying inheritance tax!

and Hey, Lets not to forget to thank the Tories for our Winter fuel allowance I don't know if its just Me but, Getting more this year than last year,

Thank you Rishie,,

Cheshire Cat

Lester Piggot was jailed because of sheer stupidity on his part.
He’d reached a settlement with the Inland revenue for £3 million. The cheque he passed over to the revenue was drawn on an account he hadn’t declared.

Dodd should have been jailed.
He was a fraud and a con man.
He had money stashed in other houses as well as his own attic.
He was very well known for being extremely frugal.
He rinsed the economy of thousands of pounds by being paid in cash and not declaring it. Its people like him that have made our economy less wealthy. Its the residents of the UK what pay the price for incidents like this
If you are doing a job and being paid cash, you should declare it.

Chesh luv,,,,he was a Scouser, they all fiddle, I've worked with loads and they know the in's and out's better than anyone, just look at the past and present Mayors of L'pool I dar'nt name them because compared, Doddy was a saint, They do though, don't they thought, All right La,,,

Well, Tom.
Do you think its fair when you have done jobs for people and you have declared it and paid the relevent tax, ( which I'm assuming you did as Ive no reason to think otherwise ) when other people just stash it into their back pocket and go away laughing at the tax payer?

Didn't, Harry Redknap claim he couldn't read or write when the tax man collared him for tax fraud?

tomplum they have stopped thousands of disabled getting that winter fuel allowance because they have took the pips & dvla claim from the eligibility form. your a very lucky guy but most arnt .

I bet if truth is known, there are a few who come on here everyday moaning about all and sundry about hardship and poverty have a few bob stashed away in their attic's.

And if you want to see real moaners in abudance, then watch Question Time every Thursday!

And not much being said about cheating the benefit system which comes as no surprise!

like you todger .

Try reading your own posts OC

I am looking forward to getting my pensioners Christmas bonus.

Mortarmillbill the £10 Christmas bonus is very welcome its better in my pocket than the governments coffers

yes Sir, A tenner is very welcome,,,

put it to your heating bill , it,s going up 5% .

Whups, I don't understand the benefit system but, it seems unfair to deny them WFA ? that sounds crazy,

whups
You do not need to claim if you get any of the following:
These people get it automatically'if they are eligible
DWP Winter Fuel Payment full details and the 13 benefits eligible to get it including PIP and DLA
State Pension
Pension Credit
Attendance Allowance
Personal Independence Payment (PIP)
Carers Allowance
Disability Living Allowance (DLA)
Income Support
Income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
Income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA)
Awards from the War Pensions Scheme
Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit
Incapacity Benefit
Industrial Death Benefit
If you do not get a letter from the DWP in October, or the money has not been paid into your account by January 26, 2024, contact the Winter Fuel Payment Centre - more details at GOV.UK here.

LINK

i can tell you that pips & dla are NOT in the claims form you get . so it throws the whole list in doubt , doesnt it .

That's probably because those people get it automatically without making claim

no they dont . the government has took it off the list & you cant claim it anymore if your on dla or pips . that list you put on is out of date .

Read and Digest

According to the letters we have received we both qualify for the Winter fuel payment of £250 EACH this includes a pensioner cost of living payment each. No additional payment for Yvonne being on PIP

Why would you expect an extra heating winter fuel
payment if you are receiving PIP

Posted by: PeterP (10894)
According to the letters we have received we both qualify for the Winter fuel payment of £250 EACH this includes a pensioner cost of living payment each. No additional payment for Yvonne being on PIP

Replied: 24th Nov 2023 at 15:23
You both qualified because of receiving the state pension.Thats £500 for your household. Had neither of you been on State pension then your household would have been able to claim under PIPs that your wife receives.

I do not approve of all these benefits.

Supporting people who have disabilities or chronic illness, fair enough.

But surely it is healthier that working people earn sufficient to sustain their normal expenses incurred in living a normal life.

If the state takes dosh from some categories of working people, to give it to other categories (some of whom would also be included in the former) it seems to me you are bound to end up with perverse outcomes and perverse incentives.

It is perhaps most clearly seen when help for first time buyers results in them being subsidised by renters who are in a more disadvantaged financial situation.

I know some will disagree, but I think when earnings gave you the wherewithal to meet your needs relatively independent of the state, we were better off.

Cheshirecat maybe I worded it wrong . 1st mate clarified it above^^^^ at 16-25

If you want to criticise
People for claiming
,why don't you start with the wealthy domiciles they have no conscience about paying less or no tax , they are laughing at the working class,

I totally agree with you, Surfertom. Thats what I said about Ken Dodd further up the thread
The non declaring tax evader should have had his assets stripped.
He got away with it and got a knighthood thrown in!

Now, he was laughing at the working class

I fully agree with surfer too chesh but, Ken was a working class bloke who stuffed it up them, He earned money by doing what he diddy, He never robbed anyone except the very man who does not work, the tax man, He gave the people who attended his gigs 200%, he never left early and never told the same joke twice, A brilliant Man, He earned his crust and like you rightly said, found a loop hole in his dying days to cheat the robbin' taxman,

Posted by: tomplum (11719) [View tomplum's page]
"I fully agree with surfer too chesh but, Ken was a working class bloke who stuffed it up them,"

If everybody "stuffed it up them," the country would be on its knees!
Do you condone what he did? Surely not?
Would you do the same as him?

Chesh, to be honest if I was clever enough, yes but, I am not and the fear of going to jail would terrify me so. I played the ' whiteman' and paid my dues because, the most sanctimonious people who dodge also judge others and many are magistrates and judges so' I tip my cap to Ken cos he stuffed them

Doddys big mistake was greed he got caught but played a blinder having the trial in liverpool no way would they find doddy guilty ,, he was one of the best loved guys in liverpool

Why do some assume that it is only the wealthy who are tax dodging.

Surely the same tax dodging criteria also applies to the many people who are being caught out for claiming benefits to which they are not entitled.

I know people who scam the benefits system but I know a lot more self employed,tradesmen and business people who do not bat an eyelid when it comes to not paying tax.

For once Todge I find myself in agreement with you.

The cost of benefit fraud and tax evasion carried out on our shores by uk citizens is far far in excess of what the government is currently paying out to house and tend for immigrants. The strange thing is Uk citizens (including several in here) seem totally oblivious to the fact.

It’s like wearing trousers with holes in the pockets. If you start loosing money through those holes you will soon get a new pair. However our government doesn’t seem to be able to find a new pair that fits!!!

Any government who came up with an effective policy to end the widespread tax and benefit fiddles currently being carried out by what is its own electorate would put them in a strong position to get my vote.

Unfortunately it seems non of them to date see it as a priority or have been able to effectively tackle the issue.

Perhaps they are not motivated to so do, as it might cause people to also look closely at the extra channels of remuneration which they themselves have crafted with stealth.

star delta

Perhaps the reason why some of those who come here and saying nothing about the benefit cheating might be some of those doing it!

wot about those being denied benefits when they are assessed by atos who dont employ any qualified people who read a spread sheet & award points instead of doing tests . under the jack boot of a uncaring unfeeling tory government .

"instead of doing tests"

what tests would those be whups

depends what your claiming . but using phyios to assess people with mental health problems & visa versa isnt on , is it .

I always thought that the Pensions Scheme should be paid not on age but on your profession a person who has worked with his hands AKA construction should not have there retirement at the same age as someone who sits at a desk all day..

Stardelta good analogy

Most people on here are at the age when you had the final salary Pensions Scheme that has long gone today...
In years to come there is going to be a lot more poverty in the UK because people have not had the money to put away or a property to sell and fall back on and also take into consideration the low birth rate and dislike of immigration plus people living longer in the UK will all lead to less tax in the public purse unless you will increase Tax on the rich or salary's .... there is no more of i will move out of the UK were my pension will go further.....

Anyone who has worked all their live and paid tax and national insurance should not be paying tax when retired, especially when private pensions have devalued so much from what people were told they would get when they first joined a private pension scheme.

If I had my time again, I would have not contracted out of the state scheme as it is the door to other retirements benefits like Pension Credit etc which has made many of the workshy better off than those who always worked for a living

If you don’t pay tax on your income when retired Todge who is going to take up the slack?

Why should I and the millions like me pay more tax to see you with more money in your pocket?

I am glad to pay the tax I owe

A lot of people will now be dragged into paying tax after hunts said it's
Biggest tax cuts since1980s so If your paying tax now the more you will dragged in to paying more,

maybe we shud be like all the private firms & pay nowt & send it out of the country like they do .

What folk should realise is that in this country are now taxed more 'indirectly' than 'directly' as in we may pay less income tax, but the government has made up for that loss by putting up taxes like VAT (value added tax) because it is easier and cheaper to collect VAT from the likes of Asda, than to chase small business men around, using hoards of tax men, to collect trivial amounts of tax, so they give it away with one hand, and take it from yoo with the other hand, and it was the advent of computerisation in the 1960s and 1970s, which has made it possible for the government to do so.

so why dont they do it then instead of the likes of amazon getting away with murder .

Extract from the Spectator.

The reforms will be met with predictable howls of outrage, but this crackdown is overdue. State support ought to exist for those who cannot work, not those who cannot be bothered to work. The status quo is unsustainable: the DWP estimates that welfare spending on people with disabilities and health conditions will hit £100 billion by 2027, up 77 per cent from pre-pandemic levels. The bill for those of working age is on course to rise 84 per cent to £77.5 billion over the same period.
The numbers are staggering. In July to September, 1.45 million people were unemployed – meaning they are not in work but are looking for work, having done so at some point during the past four weeks. 8.73 million people aged 16-64 were economically inactive. 2.5 million people are out of work because of long-term health conditions, nearly half a million more than pre-pandemic. Studies show that most of them are complaining about anxiety, depression or other mental health issues.
Meanwhile, 3.5 million people aged 50 to 64 are out of work and not looking for work. That’s 280,000 more than in the first quarter of 2020 – a number around the size of the population of Milton Keynes. And though the government has set these early retirees in its sights, it’s unlikely they will be lured back into work having left it.
But here’s the problem that we’ll hear raised a lot over the next 12 months: the Tories have had years to fix this. The last time the party displayed boldness on the welfare issue was a decade ago, when Iain Duncan Smith introduced Universal Credit. He has since had eight successors.

Whupsy

Yoo are on about how much they pay tax on profits.

Any crackdown on the abuse of the benefit system is to be welcomed and long ovderdue.

it seems that your not all day in sticking the boot into common people but when it comes to big business you extol their virtue . you lot shud hang your heads in shame , that,s if you have any . maybe they shud crackdown on you todger .

Whupsy

Where does this country get it's money from ?

What is this countries job ?

A cloo, Saudi Arabia get it's money from selling a natural resource it has in abundance, which is crude oil, so Saudi Arabia's job is to 'supply crude oil' to the world, but Britain does not have a job like that, so how does Britain make it's money ?

Britain uses the taxes from the money Britain has earned,, to pay it's bills.

Healthcare
Defence
Welfare
Pensions
Emergency Services
Police

etc etc etc

So where does Britain get it's money from Whupsy ?

A good chunk of the money comes from Financial Services, banking, insurance and stuff like that, but where does the rest of the money come from ?

If yoo don't answer this question Whupsy, yoo are a big girls blouse

you never say owt when the country is ripped off by baroness mone getting £200 mill for ppe that had to be destroyed or amazon not paying proper tax or the gas & oil companies getting away with paying nowt when they drill an extra hole . you need to get your priorities right 1stroke & wots wrong in spending money on our own people instead of putting it in the rich mans pocket ? .

Michelle Mone

Amazon UK tax.

Amazon

Thank you Gaffer.

There you go Whupsy, Gaffer has given you your answer, they are being investigated and Amazon are paying their taxes.

So answer my question Whupsy, or are you going to be a big girls blouse

Painted on Walton Prison wall back in the day
"Coming soon - Ken Dodd"

‘I told the Inland Revenue I didn’t owe them a penny because I lived near the seaside.’

Scousers !!!!!!!

you mean the "tax" that they "officialy " pay or the tax they shud pay . if you think that i,m listening to the bullshit so called statistics gaffer puts on here then think again 1stroke & thereYOU go .

they shud lock those criminals up like hancock gove & mone & her husband . ripped us off something shocking . now answer that 1stroke .

yes that johnson is just that .

Whups

In no way am I attacking the genurine ordinary honest people who need the benefit system to live on, only those cheating the system, especially those who are getting benefits while being involved in crime!

And I have noticed that some of those who come on here everyday moaning about the government are keeping quiet about the crackdown on benefit cheating.

really , well if you agree with jeremy hunt then you are indeed attacking genuine claimants because that,s exactly wot hunt is doing . he wants to impose ATOS like medicals for sick & mentaly ill people with medicals that are not done by doctors or medicaly trained clinicians & done by jumped up physios & therapists . we have all seen & heard the horror stories about ATOS who were under orders to get people off the dole by any means possible irrespective of illnness or injury & people with motor neurone disease & terminal cancer being found "fit for work" by this uncaring tory government . i also notice that when it comes to cheating the system that you dont inclue those who are well off & send their money out of the country to a "shell " company then claim it back as a "loan" & claim tax relief on that loan . so if you want to class yourself like jeremy hunt then it,s your prerogative .

Terrific stuff whups .

I get far more annoyed with tax dodging wealthy people for example the recent chancellor who forgot to declare 5Mill of earnings how much money do people want?

Reet....so when labour get in they will close every loophole in the tax system just to please whups and co.......dream on folks. The tories have cocked up big style in many areas but don't expect a change of government to rectify your moans.

H M.

ATOS is not fit for purpose.I took a friend who was really in a bad way and he was asked questions like could he make a cup of tea etc and other totally irrelavent questions but none about his medical condition.I asked why not and was told more or less to shut up.He recieved a letter and got no points at all in their assessment.I came to the conclusion he would have been better off telling lies.The woman doing the assessment appeared to have little medical knowledge and seemed not to care one bit,just reading out questions from a sheet.

It seems that the only defence of this inept dishonesty government can put forward is to call labour, pathetic really

HM...I stated the Tories had cocked up big style and pointed out that a Labour government would change very little....if that's criticism of Labour then you must be wearing red specs and will never have a balanced view..

why do you put hypothetical replies on here frecky . labour are NOT in power & making the laws , are they .

ATOS replaced by SERCO in 2024

same difference .

Whups

I am against anyone in our society and that includes those at the top cheating the the system, but the ones I have been on about are those at our level who are fit and able and capable of doing a job, those claiming disibility benefits but can somehow manage to play golf nearly everyday, those driving around and parking with a Blue Badge which is not belonging to them, various types of insurance frauds etc, etc. The list is endless and would be no different whatever goverment is in power.

It is the likes of yourself and your cronies who tried to divert attention away from many of the cheats of our level by keep going on about those at the top when the cheating of the system is just as bad at the bottom.

You've solved the problem OC the DHSS should target golf clubs

you only refer to the general public todger . you never mention the rich & big business who constantly flout the law & send money out of the country like netflix who a few years ago stopped paying tax here & opened up an office in amsterdam called netflix international where it sent ALL of it,s money then claimed it back as a loan then claimed tax relief on it . tell me & the rest on here wot gauls you the most someone disabled claiming wot they shud or netflix who,s had several millions back in tax relief ? .

FAO Todger

I would wager the majority of these golfers are legitimately claiming disability benefits.

wot an idiot . grow up .

Handsomeminer and Whups

Childish sarcastic remarks about golf clubs, but little or nothing said about my comments about the abuse of the benefit system and blue badges schemes or the false insurance claims by all levels of our society.

I wonder why?

why do you have a particular downer on the less fortunate of this country ? .yet again you deliberately left out those with money & avoided my question , i wonder why .

Whups.

How many more times do have you have to be told that I have no downer on the less fortuanate of the country, only those abusing the benefit system and the blue badge scheme which applies people to all levels and incomes of our society.

By your failure to comdem it, are you saying that you condone it?

yes you are as virtually ALL your posts confirm . you continually harp on about wot people are claiming & no thought given to those who are genuine & yes you try & cover your tracks by saying that you do but in reality you dont . typically you downbeat labour at every opportunity & seem to take the tory mantra & tar everyone with the same brush . you need to take a long hard look in the mirror & think how lucky you are not to be in the same position as a lot are . and still you never say a thing about the rich constantly robbing the country with sending their money out of the country with million or billions without paying a red cent while you browbeat someone who claims a paltry amount in some benefit . oh & by the way you just cant claim a blue badge you must have a medical for it just like you have to do with a benefit claim as it,s just not given out freely as you seem to think .

I feel so bad ive just donated my fairly new set of Pings to the local charity shop followed by my loved Calloway driver and 3 and 5 woods and cancelled my golf club membership .
Anything to make dodger happy .

dont worry about that grim he doesnt care anyway .

My post was in jest as i am sure you know whups .
You are spot on he dosnt give a rats backside for those less fortunate who have been ravaged by Tory policies despite him pleading otherwise .

quite right grim & i,m right in thinking your still waiting of a responce on his football coaching reply ? .

Still waiting whups.
One name will suffice then we can applaud and recognise his coaching skills ..

Don't blame you grimshaw you don't want to be associating with all those benefit fraudsters

colin that idiot seems to think that these benefits are given out free when the truth is that you HAVE to have a medical to claim any & it,s same with the blue badge . but as usual he seems to omit that in any reply he puts on here .

Whups

I am well aware that that people have to have a medical to get disability benefits, but the ones I am on about are those living on the non disibility benefits who will not work for a living and I am also aware that to have a Blue Badge, you have to be assess to have one, but here again I am on about are those who are using the badges of those assessd to which they on not entiltiled.



By the the reaction of yourself, Handsomeminer and Grimshaw anyone would think that you three were in involved in the abuse by the way you have all got so uptight, sarcastic and tried to twist what I have said.


Now toddle off back to the drinking and reading the Daily Mirror!

just shows your level of intelligence & lack of observation . you never said "non" disability benefits when you replied .here,s wot you put on further up this blog & tell me where it says non disability -

"Why do some assume that it is only the wealthy who are tax dodging.

Surely the same tax dodging criteria also applies to the many people who are being caught out for claiming benefits to which they are not entitled".

here,s some more -" those claiming disibility benefits but can somehow manage to play golf nearly everyday, those driving around and parking with a Blue Badge which is not belonging to them, various types of insurance frauds etc, etc" . oh & by the way i hav,nt had a drink in 6yrs . that,s another you missed .

Whups,

The only real "less fortunate" are the homeless who because they have "no fixed abode" and cannot claim any benefits or even get a bank account.

Anyone else is not living in hardship or poverty as we now have a benefit system where you get far more today than years ago when the only benefits were Unemployment Benefit and Family Allowance and prior to the Attlee Labour government of 1945, no benefit system or free health service at all.

If indeed there are those living in hardship today, perhaps it is because of their self inflicted lifestyle of spending their incomes on things like alcohol, cigarettes. drugs etc.

Or perhaps not even having the latest Samsung Galaxy smart phone

I've heard its rife in bowling clubs too

H M.

OC
How do you communicate on wiganworld by new technology , so nobody can use it only you stupid thing to say

he,s stupid full stop . wot an idiot .

If I am stupid and a idiot, it is nothing compare to the person saying it!

in your dreams & a lot of people are saying it . i wish i had a wallet as thick .